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master1729  
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 More options Nov 4 2009, 2:23 pm
Newsgroups: sci.math
From: master1729 <tommy1...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:23:53 EST
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: FLT - The True Nature of this Problem Revealed
the loving snake wrote :

> On Nov 3, 4:15 pm, Phil Jackson
> <sapi...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> > Hi Tommy

> > Can you tell me where the flaw is, in arriving at
> the statement that Z = Y+X1, where X1 is a factor of
> X^N?

> > Regards

> > Phil

> Hi Phil,

> I will speak to the flaws in your presentation.
>  Since this thread
> doesn't give a clue as to what you said and where you
> said it, I had
> to hunt before I could find it.  It would be easier
> for the group and
> help you get replies if you would give a link or at
> least a clue as to
> where to find your work.  Of course the
> responsibility was really
> master1729's.

responsibility denied.

i had nothing meaningfull to link too and i am not responsible for wrong FLT proofs by others nor for not quoting nonsensical wrong FLT proofs.

the doc was simply available in the first post of the thread.

no problems for viewing.

> Anyway, let's start with what you said about the case
> N = 2.  Here is
> what you said:

> Start Quote
> What happens when N=2?

> When N=2, Z^2 – Y^2 = X^2 and this can be broken down
> into (Z-Y)(Z+Y)
> so that X^2 is the product of (Z-Y) or X1, and (Z+Y)
> or X2. Solutions
> can be found for any situation where X1 is an odd
> power of X and X2 is
> a higher odd power of X multiplied by 1 or another
> number raised to
> the same power. Therefore it is clear that there must
> be an infinite
> number of solutions for N=2.
> End Quote

> Really?  Why is that clear?  You are claiming that it
> is clear (=
> obvious) that we can always find Y and Z such that
> Y-Z is an odd power
> of X and Y+Z ... as you said above.  First of all,
> this is simply
> wrong for then their product could be larger than X^2
> and larger is
> not equal to.  However, they only need to be an odd
> power of anything
> and so on as you say without reference to the X.  But
> you need to
> prove that you can always find that and it is really
> far from obvious
> to me.  I only know that this equation, X^2 + Y^2 =
> Z^2 has infinitely
> many solution because I have read an actual proof
> that doesn't simply
> leave out the most important step.

> Now to your absurd claim about N larger than 2.  It
> is hard for me to
> point to a specific error, because it is completely
> incoherent.  Write
> it coherently and I will be glad to review and tell
> you where your
> errors are.

> Notes on Style:
> 1) You spend a long time justifying the obvious fact
> that if Z^3 - Y^3
> = X^3 then X^3 is divisible by Z - Y.  I say it is
> obvious because I
> remember the factorization

> Z^2 - X^3 = (Z - Y)*(Z^2 + ZY + Y^2)

> which I learned in a Junior High School algebra
> course and still
> remember.  You never actually present the analogue
> for N larger 3, but
> the same general idea works for any N.

> 2) You spend a lot of time making the point that X^N
> + Y^N = Z^3 is
> logically equivalent to
> Z^N - Y^N = X^N.  Yes, you can subtract the same
> things from both
> sides of an equation and the equality still holds.
>   You can add the
> same thing too, so the resulting equation is
> logicallyl equivalent.
> Duh.  Just state things like this.  They need no
> justification.

> 3)  In you proof section, you say
> Start Quote
> There is evidence for a relationship between two
> numbers where one is
> subtracted from the other when they have the same
> power.
> End Quote

> There is rarely a place for saying that there is
> evidence for
> something in a proof as part of the proof.  Your
> style will be
> improved if you just stick to the facts.

> 4) Similarly to point 3), your proof section is very
> chatty, and that,
> combined with the fact that a lot of the chat does
> not make a lot of
> sense, makes the part of your "proof" that do make
> sense harder to
> follow, probably for you as well as for the reader.

agreed.

> 5) The nonsensical philosphical ramblings in your
> introduction mostly
> serve to drive away mathematicians who immediately
> pick up your vast
> ignorance of our subject and who do not have the
> patience to read what
> is already clear will do what you say it will do.

which is why i did not quote a part of his " paper ".

its very noble that you spend time trying to help this person.

however the ramblings give a really bad impression.

i hope this guy is not the new musatov.

otherwise you will regret you did the effort.

basicly he just showed x^p + y^p = z^p => x + y = z mod p

or even less.

which already follows from trivial number theory such as fermats little , newtons binomium , pascal triangle etc

> That is enough for now.  I only read the thing to try
> to give you some
> pointers as to what was specifically wrong, but it
> was hard to find
> much that was coherent enough to comment on.

> I appreciate that you have a love of mathematics, but
> please to try to
> learn some before you attempt something as grand as
> Fermat's Last
> Theorem, or any thing much else for that matter.

love for math is cool.

> Regards,
> Achava

from x^p + y^p = z^p => x + y = z mod p

its clear z must be >= p  ( if x,y,z > 0 )

( maybe phil can use that knowledge )

i wonder if achava the loving snake can prove :

z must be >= 12 p  and x must be >= 3 p

in a simple way.

no hostility intended ( despite received ? )

regards

tommy1729


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