I have two groups of data: In every group there are 29 subgroups, in every subgroup, there are 1-15 numbers ranged from 0 to 80. The subgroups are DEPENDENT of each other. I wanna compare whether these two groups are sgnificantly different without mixing all numbers in subgroups together. How should I do the analysis?
To make one example of this question, suppose: 2 groups, in every group there are only 3 subgroups, in every subgroup there are at most 5 numbers ranged from 0 to 80:
In every group, the 3 subgroups are not independent of each other. How can I compare whether group 1 and 2 are significantly different from each other, without mixing the 8 numbers in group 1 together and mixing the 13 numbers in group 2 together?
On Nov 4, 12:02 pm, tony lincoln <tony_linc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have two groups of data: In every group there are 29 subgroups, in every subgroup, there are 1-15 numbers ranged from 0 to 80. The subgroups are DEPENDENT of each other.
Ehr... you are not using "group" in the algebraic sense, are you? A set with a binary associative operation for which there is an identity element and inverses.
You are using "group" as a synonim for "set" or "collection." Correct?
(Be aware: "group" and "subgroup" has a very precise, *technical* sense which is likely to confuse the hell out of most mathematician reading your post unless you mean that technical sense, in which case you will confuse *all* mathematicians reading your post because I cannot fathom how you could possibly mean that without specifying the operation).
> I have two groups of data: In every group there are 29 subgroups, in every > subgroup, there are 1-15 numbers ranged from 0 to 80. The subgroups are > DEPENDENT of each other. > I wanna compare whether these two groups are sgnificantly different > without mixing all numbers in subgroups together. How should I do the > analysis?
> To make one example of this question, suppose: > 2 groups, in every group there are only 3 subgroups, in every subgroup > there are at most 5 numbers ranged from 0 to 80:
> In every group, the 3 subgroups are not independent of each other. How can I > compare whether group 1 and 2 are significantly different from each other, > without mixing the 8 numbers in group 1 together and mixing the 13 numbers in > group 2 together?
I think that first you'll have to decide (or, if you've already decided, let us know) what it means for two (finite) collections of (finite) sets (of positive real numbers) to be "significantly different."
Also, it appears that you are using the word "independent" in a way that is not standard in mathematical writing. Do you mean that the sets are not pairwise disjoint? that is, that there may be a number that is in two or more of the sets in one of the two collections?
I second Arturo's suggestion that you not use the words "group" and "subgroup" when you don't intend them with the usual meanings given to them by mathematicians. You'll note I've used "collection" and "set" instead.
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