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BradGuth  
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From: BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:36:34 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

 ~ BG


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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 3, 12:36 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
opposite side.

Double-A


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From: BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:56 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 3, 12:49 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
be representing gravity).

If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

 ~ BG


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From: "Darla" <darlap...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:17:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
"Double-A" <double...@hush.com> wrote in message

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On Oct 30, 12:30 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

The fact that gravity increases measurably in deep caves/mines tells
you that the interior of the Earth is denser than the rock above you.
Otherwise gravity would have already begun to decrease.

Double-A

My dearest Double-A!
The centerline gravity Has begun to decrease.
It's the downward semi-lateral crust density that increases a bit more
quickly than that centerline decrease that causes the increase in net
gravitational force as one goes deeper into the crust.
For a time.

Measuring devices used so far have no way of distinguishing the semi-lateral
forces from the centerline force, so they measure the net force as having
increased.
There is, of course, a semi-lateral force at the surface which, if separated
from the centerline force, would be found to be at minimum, and it increases
quickly as spelunkers and divers explore to deeper levels.

At a glance, it may seem that the semi-lateral forces cancel.
That is only true if they are 180 degrees out of phase.
There are infinite directions of pull that are less than 180 degrees out of
phase.
The downward semi-laterals do eventually get cancelled more and more by the
upward forces.
One must go extremely deep before the net decrease would begin to establish
itself.

What you call "gravity" must be the greatest fun for all of you!
You must try to imagine the real vectorial forces upon you and shy away from
Newton's centerline-only gravitational image.
Such an imagication is quite limiting.

The sky is a "limit", and it stretches out in infinite directions.
So why not the ground also?
Is the Earth not infinite vectorisations within a finite boundary?

--
                                                            Darla


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Henry Wilson DSc  
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From: HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc).
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:18:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
star?

It could easily be hollow.

There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

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From: amor...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Morgan)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:11 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
In article <5sa1f5lm6ollp6vjmlva7p7mfjmiao1...@4ax.com>,
Henry Wilson DSc <H@..> wrote:

>Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
>gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
>star?

>It could easily be hollow.

No, I'm pretty sure it couldn't.  It couldn't spin fast enough without
tearing itself apart and it would cease to be a neutron star long before
it got to that point.

I guess "It could easily" means "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking
about and the mathematics is completely beyond me, but I'm going to wave my
hands rapidly and guess that it could".

Alan
--
Defendit numerus


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From: "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p>
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:30:42 -0000
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
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Nobody thinks the Earth is hollow, and he doesn't read my posts.
Nobody is drunk, the only thing that is hollow is his cask of cheap
red wine.

> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

So the entire universe could be enclosed in such a shell and
we'd never know it. But what would be outside it?

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From: Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:58:11 GMT
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

Henry Wilson DSc wrote:

> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
> gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
> star?

> It could easily be hollow.

   No Henry, Henri--the centrifugal force from the perspective
   of a rotating coordinate system goes to zero at the core.

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From: HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc).
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:46:17 GMT
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:58:11 GMT, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>Henry Wilson DSc wrote:

>> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
>> gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
>> star?

>> It could easily be hollow.

>   No Henry, Henri--the centrifugal force from the perspective
>   of a rotating coordinate system goes to zero at the core.

I know that.

It could never become hollow if it was solid....but how do you know it was ever
solid?

On the other hand, there could have been a massive explosion at the centre that
created a giant cavity but wasn't strong enough to blow the whole thing apart.

See! I'm full of good ideas Wormey......

Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

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From: HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc).
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:47:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:26:11 -0800 (PST), amor...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan

Morgan) wrote:
>In article <5sa1f5lm6ollp6vjmlva7p7mfjmiao1...@4ax.com>,
>Henry Wilson DSc <H@..> wrote:

>>Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
>>gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
>>star?

>>It could easily be hollow.

>No, I'm pretty sure it couldn't.  It couldn't spin fast enough without
>tearing itself apart and it would cease to be a neutron star long before
>it got to that point.

It might become a tennis ball instead

>I guess "It could easily" means "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking
>about and the mathematics is completely beyond me, but I'm going to wave my
>hands rapidly and guess that it could".

>Alan

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From: HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc).
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:50:14 GMT
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:30:42 -0000, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p>
wrote:

I suppose you will now include "Wilson says the Earth is hollow" in your list
of misquotes? ...you know, the ones that are going to see you done for
defamation...

>> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>So the entire universe could be enclosed in such a shell and
>we'd never know it. But what would be outside it?

inverse space. x = 1/X

Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:08:53 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 3, 1:17 pm, "Darla" <darlap...@aol.com> wrote:

That's certainly a whole lot better way of saying it, though still
complex and as you say, it's not going to be limited to all that
Newtonian centerline-only gravitational stuff as we travel inward
(below the crust).  It must be nearly as complex and/or downright
interesting for that of our Selene/moon interior, that’s no longer
fluid under that extremely thick and substantially mineral saturated
crust, other than encountering a few layers or geode pockets of
mineral brines.

What’s at the residual hot core of our Selene/moon?

What’s the approximate age of our moon?

 ~ BG


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From: "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:15:22 -0000
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
news:aoj1f596g3p7lhnf7q5prpffac1gqd8ds4@4ax.com...

The nobody Wilson reads my posts... any time you want to
sue, go ahead, Google has the archives. Oh, and err... "suppose"
all you want to, even in civil cases a modicum of proof is required.
A preponderance of the evidence is good enough, only in criminal
cases do you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Since I have proof absolute that you said
 "There is no doppler shift in BaTh." -- Wilson
   http://tinyurl.com/2rk695
you won't have a leg to stand on.

>>> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>>So the entire universe could be enclosed in such a shell and
>>we'd never know it. But what would be outside it?

> inverse space. x = 1/X

Not the question I asked.

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Discussion subject changed to "The REAL reason they hate Einstein." by Tom Potter
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"Peter Webb" <webbfam...@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message

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> You've forgotten to mention his being a twice arrested "wife beater"
> as well as a drug induced "Satan worshiper", because that's exactly
> what their Zionist/Jewish policy includes and approves of, as well as
> slave ownership and apparently body snatchings for live organ
> harvesting, along with their kosher approved SEC and its Ponzi Madoff
> types that have no remorse about stealing from God, their own kind, or
> their putting dark-skinned folks on a stick, and more recently
> excessively irradiating 100,000 dark-skinned Jewish kids.

> ______________________________
> So Einstein harvested organs, owned slaves and worshipped Satan while on
> drugs?

Of course, Einstein did make some great contributions to mankind.
The URL below describes Einstein's greatest invention in detail.

Considering how intently the Mass Media,
and GTR Guru's on the public dole,
hyped and hypes Einstein's General Relativity,

a model that uses rubber clocks and rulers
to waste time, money and minds
on such pursuits as time travel, worm holes,
gravitons, warping through space, etc.

as mankind's greatest intellectual achievement,

comparing Einstein's greatest invention to

Edison's inventions that gave man
audio and video recording,
electrical power generation and distribution systems
with generators, motors, meters, lamps, heaters, etc.

and the Watson, Crick DNA model
that is used every day to improve health,
fight crime, design better food crops, etc.

brings one's thoughts back to reality.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=zRpsAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=...

No doubt, Einstein, like Maddock, Marx,
the Biblical authors, Ayn Rand, Uncle Al, etc.
was a master words smith,
but when one measures his works by
their positive benefits to mankind,
one realizes that:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

--
Tom Potter
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
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Discussion subject changed to "Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench." by Sam Wormley
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

   It's a force called gravity--look it up!

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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:15:22 -0000, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p>
wrote:

We were talking about doppler shift at the source.
there isn't any in BaTh.

You'd better get a good lawyer.

>>>> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>>>So the entire universe could be enclosed in such a shell and
>>>we'd never know it. But what would be outside it?

>> inverse space. x = 1/X

>Not the question I asked.

No but its a good answer anyway.

Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

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From: HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc).
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

What are the required conditions for spinning matter to condense into a HOLLOW
ball rather than a solid one?

Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 3, 7:47 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:

Ever heard of helium? (where the hell do you think it comes from?)

Ever heard of CO2, methane and radon gas?

What happens when a 500 Mt chemical or nuclear reactions take place at
500+ km deep?

 ~ BG


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:35:45 -0000
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Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
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"There is no doppler shift in BaTh." -- Wilson
   http://tinyurl.com/2rk695

>>>>> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>>>>So the entire universe could be enclosed in such a shell and
>>>>we'd never know it. But what would be outside it?

>>> inverse space. x = 1/X

>>Not the question I asked.

> No but its a good answer anyway.

Only for a drunk.

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:35:45 -0000, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p>
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It explains infinity. Space is inverse, It goes to zero when X = infinity..

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:10:37 -0000
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"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
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Only for an extreme drunk.
We mathematicians say division by zero is undefined.
a = b, given.
a^2 = ab, multiplying both sides by a.
a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2, subtracting b^2 from both sides.
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b), factorising.
a+b = b, dividing both sides by (a-b).
b+b = b, because a = b, given.
2b = b, because b+b = 2b
2 = 1, dividing both sides by b.
Since 2b = b, proven, it follows a = 2b
and we can prove all numbers = 1, so all numbers are equal
but some are more equal than others. No infinity involved.

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From: Don Stockbauer <don.stockba...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:18:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:18 am
Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 4, 5:10 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics_p> wrote:

But constructivistic Reality proves they're not.

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From: BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 4, 1:39 am, HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc). wrote:

Reverse space or anti-matter space is always less than zero.

 ~ BG


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From: amor...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Morgan)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:43:01 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
In article <80v1f5hg1od5qmuumsgu39gtpuh8fmn...@4ax.com>,
Henry Wilson DSc <H@..> wrote:

I can't imagine that it would ever do that.  The equator of the object can
be spinning fast enough to resist gravity, but the north and south poles
will be subject to gravity and collapse inwards.  A rapidly spinning object
will deform into a disk (assuming it doesn't fly apart first), not an
empty shell.

Alan
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Defendit numerus


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From: BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:54:28 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
On Nov 4, 9:43 am, amor...@xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Morgan) wrote:

How very true.  However the extremely thick and robust crust of our
Selene/moon has to be quite different than our 98.5% fluid Earth.

 ~ BG


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