> >> >If it were purely via the extremely weak force of gravity pulling
> >> >everything down to a white dwarf or even that of a neutron core, then
> >> >why not much sooner rather then later?

> >> >Isn't the Newtonian pull on elements such as hot hydrogen and even
> >> >hotter helium rather pathetic?

> >> The force equation is thought to be the same for all matter.
> >> I wonder if it really is though.

> >Seems the more electrons and positrons per atom, or the more
> >paramagnetic/diamagnetic a given element is, that we have other strong
> >forces binding such molecules together, than is caused or contributed
> >by the extremely weak force of gravity.

> >> Does gravity act on the mass tied up in 'bonding energy'?

> >That's another good question.  Seems the extremely weak force of
> >gravity just sort of comes along for the ride whenever there's a given
> >amount of mass, though contributing relatively little.  Since pure
> >energy is nearly massless, perhaps gravity is at best insignificant.

> When you think about it, the equation G = Mm/r^2 might never have been
> accurately checked. Orbit radii are independent of m, as you know....so how
> accurately do we know G?

> I could ask the same question about inertial mass. Does it include mass due to
> bonding energy? Maybe feathers don't fall at the same rate as uranium after
> all....

> I'm not saying it doesn't...just wondering if it has been thoroughly checked.

> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>> >> >If it were purely via the extremely weak force of gravity pulling
>> >> >everything down to a white dwarf or even that of a neutron core, then
>> >> >why not much sooner rather then later?

>> >> >Isn't the Newtonian pull on elements such as hot hydrogen and even
>> >> >hotter helium rather pathetic?

>> >> The force equation is thought to be the same for all matter.
>> >> I wonder if it really is though.

>> >Seems the more electrons and positrons per atom, or the more
>> >paramagnetic/diamagnetic a given element is, that we have other strong
>> >forces binding such molecules together, than is caused or contributed
>> >by the extremely weak force of gravity.

>> >> Does gravity act on the mass tied up in 'bonding energy'?

>> >That's another good question.  Seems the extremely weak force of
>> >gravity just sort of comes along for the ride whenever there's a given
>> >amount of mass, though contributing relatively little.  Since pure
>> >energy is nearly massless, perhaps gravity is at best insignificant.

>> When you think about it, the equation G = Mm/r^2 might never have been
>> accurately checked. Orbit radii are independent of m, as you know....so how
>> accurately do we know G?

>> I could ask the same question about inertial mass. Does it include mass due to
>> bonding energy? Maybe feathers don't fall at the same rate as uranium after
>> all....

>> I'm not saying it doesn't...just wondering if it has been thoroughly checked.

>> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>There should be an increase in acceleration as due to that extremely
>weak force of gravity.  Therefore a given identical volume of uranium
>as opposed to a hydrogen filled balloon should not fall or join up
>with another given control mass at the exact same velocity.

>Once again, the science habitat/platform as easily situated within
>Selene L1 would have nailed this and many other kinds of science as of
>decades ago, as well as easier to have accomplished than any one of
>those Apollo missions.

> ~ BG

> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

> >> >> > > > > > What could produce “ reduced pressure and/or lower density ”
> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure.  Only difference is that the
> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

> >> >> > > > > Double-A

> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

> >> >> > > >  ~ BG

> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
> >> >> > > you care about gravity?  Get the point?

> >> >> > > Double-A

> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

> >> >> >  ~ BG

> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
> >> >> opposite side.

> >> >> Double-A

> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
> >> >be representing gravity).

> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

> >> > ~ BG

> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
> >> gratvity near the centre.    But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
> >> star?

> >> It could easily be hollow.

> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
> >from its outermost shell to its core.

> Or flattened...

> >> >> >If it were purely via the extremely weak force of gravity pulling
> >> >> >everything down to a white dwarf or even that of a neutron core, then
> >> >> >why not much sooner rather then later?

> >> >> >Isn't the Newtonian pull on elements such as hot hydrogen and even
> >> >> >hotter helium rather pathetic?

> >> >> The force equation is thought to be the same for all matter.
> >> >> I wonder if it really is though.

> >> >Seems the more electrons and positrons per atom, or the more
> >> >paramagnetic/diamagnetic a given element is, that we have other strong
> >> >forces binding such molecules together, than is caused or contributed
> >> >by the extremely weak force of gravity.

> >> >> Does gravity act on the mass tied up in 'bonding energy'?

> >> >That's another good question.  Seems the extremely weak force of
> >> >gravity just sort of comes along for the ride whenever there's a given
> >> >amount of mass, though contributing relatively little.  Since pure
> >> >energy is nearly massless, perhaps gravity is at best insignificant.

> >> When you think about it, the equation G = Mm/r^2 might never have been
> >> accurately checked. Orbit radii are independent of m, as you know....so how
> >> accurately do we know G?

> >> I could ask the same question about inertial mass. Does it include mass due to
> >> bonding energy? Maybe feathers don't fall at the same rate as uranium after
> >> all....

> >> I'm not saying it doesn't...just wondering if it has been thoroughly checked.

> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >There should be an increase in acceleration as due to that extremely
> >weak force of gravity.  Therefore a given identical volume of uranium
> >as opposed to a hydrogen filled balloon should not fall or join up
> >with another given control mass at the exact same velocity.

> >Once again, the science habitat/platform as easily situated within
> >Selene L1 would have nailed this and many other kinds of science as of
> >decades ago, as well as easier to have accomplished than any one of
> >those Apollo missions.

> > ~ BG

> Yes. This could indeed be tested on the moon.

> There are several posibilities.
> In any atom, we know that at least some of its mass is associated with 'binding
> energy'. We don't actually know whether or not ALL mass is a consequence of
> binding energy in some form. In other words, does 'pure mass' exist at all?

> Another question asks if gravity fields act equally on both types of mass if
> such exist. Also, does 'binding mass' contribute to inertial mass?

> Dropping two dissimilar objects from a high tower on the moon would at least
> tell us something.

>> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

>> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
>> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

>> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower density
>> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

>> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
>> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference is that the
>> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
>> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

>> >> >> > > > > Double-A

>> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
>> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
>> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
>> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
>> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

>> >> >> > > > ~ BG

>> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
>> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

>> >> >> > > Double-A

>> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

>> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

>> >> >> > ~ BG

>> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
>> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
>> >> >> opposite side.

>> >> >> Double-A

>> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
>> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
>> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
>> >> >be representing gravity).

>> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

>> >> > ~ BG

>> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
>> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
>> >> star?

>> >> It could easily be hollow.

>> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
>> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
>> >from its outermost shell to its core.

>> Or flattened...

>Never thought of that.  Sure, why not flat.

> >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
> >> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

> >> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower density
> >> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

> >> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
> >> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference is that the
> >> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
> >> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

> >> >> >> > > > > Double-A

> >> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
> >> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
> >> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
> >> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
> >> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

> >> >> >> > > > ~ BG

> >> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
> >> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

> >> >> >> > > Double-A

> >> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

> >> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

> >> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
> >> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
> >> >> >> opposite side.

> >> >> >> Double-A

> >> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
> >> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
> >> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
> >> >> >be representing gravity).

> >> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
> >> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
> >> >> star?

> >> >> It could easily be hollow.

> >> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

> >> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
> >> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
> >> >from its outermost shell to its core.

> >> Or flattened...

> >Never thought of that.  Sure, why not flat.

> Why not? There's no 'surface tension' to make them spherical.

> Galaxies end up pretty flat.

> > ~ BG

> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

> >> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
> >> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

> >> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower density
> >> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

> >> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
> >> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference is that the
> >> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
> >> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

> >> >> >> > > > > Double-A

> >> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
> >> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
> >> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
> >> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
> >> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

> >> >> >> > > > ~ BG

> >> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
> >> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

> >> >> >> > > Double-A

> >> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

> >> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

> >> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
> >> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
> >> >> >> opposite side.

> >> >> >> Double-A

> >> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
> >> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
> >> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
> >> >> >be representing gravity).

> >> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
> >> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
> >> >> star?

> >> >> It could easily be hollow.

> >> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

> >> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
> >> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
> >> >from its outermost shell to its core.

> >> Or flattened...

> >Never thought of that.  Sure, why not flat.

> Why not? There's no 'surface tension' to make them spherical.

> Galaxies end up pretty flat.

> > ~ BG

> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>> >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>> >> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

>> >> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

>> >> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower density
>> >> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

>> >> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
>> >> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference is that the
>> >> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
>> >> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

>> >> >> >> > > > > Double-A

>> >> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
>> >> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
>> >> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
>> >> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
>> >> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

>> >> >> >> > > > ~ BG

>> >> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
>> >> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

>> >> >> >> > > Double-A

>> >> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

>> >> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

>> >> >> >> > ~ BG

>> >> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
>> >> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
>> >> >> >> opposite side.

>> >> >> >> Double-A

>> >> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
>> >> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
>> >> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
>> >> >> >be representing gravity).

>> >> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

>> >> >> > ~ BG

>> >> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
>> >> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
>> >> >> star?

>> >> >> It could easily be hollow.

>> >> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>> >> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>> >> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>> >> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
>> >> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
>> >> >from its outermost shell to its core.

>> >> Or flattened...

>> >Never thought of that.  Sure, why not flat.

>> Why not? There's no 'surface tension' to make them spherical.

>> Galaxies end up pretty flat.

>> > ~ BG

>> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>Here's my revised reply with one major correction.

>Quasars could be a flat (fast spinning) neutron star along with its
>flat surrounding companion disk of orbiting white dwarfs (creating a
>pulsar).  A large spinning white dwarf of 5<10 Ms should be impressive
>but still not very large (ellipsolid <10,000 km radii).  The flat and
>fast spinning ellipsoid neutron star of 100<1000 Ms might be only
>1,000 km thick with an elliptical *diameter* of 100,000 km (100:1
>ellipsolid and roughly the volume of Earth).  Next stop: black hole.
> ~ BG

> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and temperature.

> >> >> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower density
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

> >> >> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice that has
> >> >> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference is that the
> >> >> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no direction for your
> >> >> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

> >> >> >> >> > > > > Double-A

> >> >> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of Earth as
> >> >> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less than 0.1%)
> >> >> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually zero or even
> >> >> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate within this final
> >> >> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

> >> >> >> >> > > > ~ BG

> >> >> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening, what would
> >> >> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

> >> >> >> >> > > Double-A

> >> >> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

> >> >> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero gravity?

> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that IS
> >> >> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side attracting the
> >> >> >> >> opposite side.

> >> >> >> >> Double-A

> >> >> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast bulk
> >> >> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards unless
> >> >> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus you'd
> >> >> >> >be representing gravity).

> >> >> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

> >> >> >> > ~ BG

> >> >> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to obercome
> >> >> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning neutron
> >> >> >> star?

> >> >> >> It could easily be hollow.

> >> >> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

> >> >> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >> >> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >> >> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions at
> >> >> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near solid
> >> >> >from its outermost shell to its core.

> >> >> Or flattened...

> >> >Never thought of that.  Sure, why not flat.

> >> Why not? There's no 'surface tension' to make them spherical.

> >> Galaxies end up pretty flat.

> >> > ~ BG

> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

> >>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

> >Here's my revised reply with one major correction.

> >Quasars could be a flat (fast spinning) neutron star along with its
> >flat surrounding companion disk of orbiting white dwarfs (creating a
> >pulsar).  A large spinning white dwarf of 5<10 Ms should be impressive
> >but still not very large (ellipsolid <10,000 km radii).  The flat and
> >fast spinning ellipsoid neutron star of 100<1000 Ms might be only
> >1,000 km thick with an elliptical *diameter* of 100,000 km (100:1
> >ellipsolid and roughly the volume of Earth).  Next stop: black hole.
> > ~ BG

> Quasers epitomize how astronomy has been completely derailed by Einstein.
> Because they feature high redshifts, it has been assumed they are very distant
> and therefore very powerful.
> In reality they are just large neutron stars in 'heavy' galaxies. Light
> escaping from them slows down dramatically, causing the excessive redshifts.

> I compiled a program to calculate redshifts from galaxies. Earth lies on the
> outskirts of ours. Therefore light approaching us doesn't experience as much
> blueshift as it would if it accelerated all the way to the centre..

> www.scisite.info/redshift.exe
> (second calculation)

> I hate to see so many astronomers making absolute fools of themselves because
> of one man's influence.

> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>        Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>>On Nov 21, 1:14 am, HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc). wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:02:22 -0800 (PST), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Nov 6, 12:04 pm, HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc). wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:54:00 -0800 (PST), BradGuth
>>> >> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >On Nov 3, 2:18 pm, HW@..(Henry Wilson DSc). wrote:
>>> >> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:11:56 -0800 (PST), BradGuth
>>> >> >> <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >On Nov 3, 12:49 pm, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Nov 3, 12:36 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >> >> > On Nov 3, 11:57 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>>> >> >> >> > > On Nov 3, 10:52 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> >> >> >> > > > On Nov 3, 10:11 am, Double-A <double...@hush.com> wrote:

>>> >> >> >> > > > > On Oct 29, 10:43 pm, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:

>>> >> >> >> > > > > > Pressure accrues.
>>> >> >> >> > > > > > The deeper you go the higher the pressure and
>>> >> >> >> > > > > > temperature.

>>> >> >> >> > > > > > What could produce reduced pressure and/or lower
>>> >> >> >> > > > > > density
>>> >> >> >> > > > > > at the center of the earth ?

>>> >> >> >> > > > > At the center of the Earth it's like you are in a vice
>>> >> >> >> > > > > that has
>>> >> >> >> > > > > tightened on you to terrific pressure. Only difference
>>> >> >> >> > > > > is that the
>>> >> >> >> > > > > pressure is from all sides equally, so there is no
>>> >> >> >> > > > > direction for your
>>> >> >> >> > > > > brains to squirt out!

>>> >> >> >> > > > > Double-A

>>> >> >> >> > > > However, at near zero gravity (say within a 1% volume of
>>> >> >> >> > > > Earth as
>>> >> >> >> > > > representing its inner most core where gravity is less
>>> >> >> >> > > > than 0.1%)
>>> >> >> >> > > > whereas the center most zone of dead center is actually
>>> >> >> >> > > > zero or even
>>> >> >> >> > > > reverse gravity (meaning you'd oscillate or vibrate
>>> >> >> >> > > > within this final
>>> >> >> >> > > > sphere), how can there be pressure?

>>> >> >> >> > > > ~ BG

>>> >> >> >> > > If your head were clamped in a vice that was tightening,
>>> >> >> >> > > what would
>>> >> >> >> > > you care about gravity? Get the point?

>>> >> >> >> > > Double-A

>>> >> >> >> > At near zero gravity, where's all that pressure coming from?

>>> >> >> >> > How much does lead or any other element weigh at zero
>>> >> >> >> > gravity?

>>> >> >> >> > ~ BG

>>> >> >> >> The pressure is coming from the mass on all sides of you that
>>> >> >> >> IS
>>> >> >> >> feeling gravity and is all pushing inwards, each side
>>> >> >> >> attracting the
>>> >> >> >> opposite side.

>>> >> >> >> Double-A

>>> >> >> >However, an eggshell would likely protect you, because the vast
>>> >> >> >bulk
>>> >> >> >of whatever is surrounding yourself is being pulled outwards
>>> >> >> >unless
>>> >> >> >you yourself represented more density than anything else (thus
>>> >> >> >you'd
>>> >> >> >be representing gravity).

>>> >> >> >If the core substance were that of hydrogen and helium?

>>> >> >> > ~ BG

>>> >> >> Earth is slowly rotating so centrifugal force is insufficiet to
>>> >> >> obercome
>>> >> >> gratvity near the centre. But what about a very rapidly spinning
>>> >> >> neutron
>>> >> >> star?

>>> >> >> It could easily be hollow.

>>> >> >> There is no gravity field inside homogeneous shell.

>>> >> >> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>> >> >> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>>> >> >Only if that neutron star were spinning in all possible directions
>>> >> >at
>>> >> >the same time (atom like), as otherwise it would have to be near
>>> >> >solid
>>> >> >from its outermost shell to its core.

>>> >> Or flattened...

>>> >Never thought of that. Sure, why not flat.

>>> Why not? There's no 'surface tension' to make them spherical.

>>> Galaxies end up pretty flat.

>>> > ~ BG

>>> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>>Here's my revised reply with one major correction.

>>Quasars could be a flat (fast spinning) neutron star along with its
>>flat surrounding companion disk of orbiting white dwarfs (creating a
>>pulsar).  A large spinning white dwarf of 5<10 Ms should be impressive
>>but still not very large (ellipsolid <10,000 km radii).  The flat and
>>fast spinning ellipsoid neutron star of 100<1000 Ms might be only
>>1,000 km thick with an elliptical *diameter* of 100,000 km (100:1
>>ellipsolid and roughly the volume of Earth).  Next stop: black hole.
>> ~ BG

> Quasers

>"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
>news:3q6jg5l9d4f7llstscb4p7mosafu7091dr@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:19:39 -0800 (PST), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>

>>>> > ~ BG

>>>> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>>> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>>>Here's my revised reply with one major correction.

>>>Quasars could be a flat (fast spinning) neutron star along with its
>>>flat surrounding companion disk of orbiting white dwarfs (creating a
>>>pulsar).  A large spinning white dwarf of 5<10 Ms should be impressive
>>>but still not very large (ellipsolid <10,000 km radii).  The flat and
>>>fast spinning ellipsoid neutron star of 100<1000 Ms might be only
>>>1,000 km thick with an elliptical *diameter* of 100,000 km (100:1
>>>ellipsolid and roughly the volume of Earth).  Next stop: black hole.
>>> ~ BG

>> Quasers

>A QuasAr is a quasi-stellAr object, what's a quasEr?

>>"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
>>news:3q6jg5l9d4f7llstscb4p7mosafu7091dr@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:19:39 -0800 (PST), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>

>>>>> > ~ BG

>>>>> Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm

>>>>> Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..

>>>>Here's my revised reply with one major correction.

>>>>Quasars could be a flat (fast spinning) neutron star along with its
>>>>flat surrounding companion disk of orbiting white dwarfs (creating a
>>>>pulsar).  A large spinning white dwarf of 5<10 Ms should be impressive
>>>>but still not very large (ellipsolid <10,000 km radii).  The flat and
>>>>fast spinning ellipsoid neutron star of 100<1000 Ms might be only
>>>>1,000 km thick with an elliptical *diameter* of 100,000 km (100:1
>>>>ellipsolid and roughly the volume of Earth).  Next stop: black hole.
>>>> ~ BG

>>> Quasers

>>A QuasAr is a quasi-stellAr object, what's a quasEr?

> ....silly old pom...

> A QuasAr is a quasi-stellAr object, what's a quasEr?