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Patrick Coilland  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 10:10 am
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From: Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:10:12 +0100
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 10:10 am
Subject: serie 1/(a^k-1)
Hello everybody

Is there a known closed form for sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
a positive integer > 1 ?


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Dan Cass  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 3:21 pm
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From: Dan Cass <dc...@sjfc.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:21:31 EST
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)

> Hello everybody

> Is there a known closed form for
> sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
> a positive integer > 1 ?

Maple doesn't know this sum in closed form.
Maybe God knows it.

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Patrick Coilland  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 4:01 pm
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From: Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:01:36 +0100
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
Dan Cass a écrit :

>> Hello everybody

>> Is there a known closed form for
>> sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
>> a positive integer > 1 ?

> Maple doesn't know this sum in closed form.
> Maybe God knows it.

Ok, thanks :)
I'll ask Him ;)

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Jim Ferry  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 4:17 pm
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From: Jim Ferry <corkleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:17:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
On Nov 18, 5:10 am, Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr> wrote:

> Hello everybody

> Is there a known closed form for sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
> a positive integer > 1 ?

This can be expressed in terms of the q-digamma function,
though this probably doesn't help much.  See

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/q-PolygammaFunction.html

Let phi(z,q) denote the q-digamma function.  Then

sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1) =
   1 - (log(a-1) + phi(1,1/a))/log(a)  for real a > 1.

BTW, phi(1,q) increases from -EulerGamma to 0 as
q decreases from 1 to 0.


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Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 5:35 pm
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From: "Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake" <ach...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:35:19 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
On Nov 18, 2:10 am, Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr> wrote:

> Hello everybody

> Is there a known closed form for sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
> a positive integer > 1 ?

Just a little comment about English.  The s on the end of a word
usually means that it is a plural, but sometimes a word just ends in
the letter s.  One such word is series.  We can have one series, or we
can have two series, but there is no such word as serie in English.
This is a common error in sci.math, and I am guessing at the reason it
is made.  At the moment I can't think of any other English words that
end in s that aren't plural forms, but I expect some will come to me
later.

Just in case you care,
Achava


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David W. Cantrell  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 6:25 pm
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From: David W. Cantrell <DWCantr...@sigmaxi.net>
Date: 18 Nov 2009 18:25:22 GMT
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
"Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake" <ach...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just a little comment about English.  The s on the end of a word
> usually means that it is a plural, but sometimes a word just ends in
> the letter s.  One such word is series.  We can have one series, or we
> can have two series, but there is no such word as serie in English.
> This is a common error in sci.math, and I am guessing at the reason it
> is made.  At the moment I can't think of any other English words that
> end in s that aren't plural forms, but I expect some will come to me
> later.

Kudos
Biceps, triceps, ...
Species (from taxonomy, rather than coined money), which reminds me of
Homo sapiens

Those are a few that just happen to come to mind.

And of course, there are plural nouns in English which end in s but have no
singular form. An example is

Pants (a garment, rather than what a dog does)

But one finds "pant" being used commonly in the clothing industry nowadays,
and so I have little doubt that "pant" will be considered acceptable fairly
soon.

David


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Patrick Coilland  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 7:27 pm
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From: Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:27:26 +0100
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: series 1/(a^k-1)
Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake a écrit :

> [...]

> Just in case you care,
> Achava

I do,

Thanks


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 More options Nov 20 2009, 8:51 pm
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:51:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 20 2009 8:51 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
On Nov 18, 4:10 am, Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr> wrote:

> Hello everybody

> Is there a known closed form for sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
> a positive integer > 1 ?

For large a, a good approximation is 1+1/a-ln(a-1)/ln(a)

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Gottfried Helms  
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 More options Nov 20 2009, 10:12 pm
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From: Gottfried Helms <he...@uni-kassel.de>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:12:16 +0100
Local: Fri, Nov 20 2009 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
Am 20.11.2009 21:51 schrieb ksoileau:

> On Nov 18, 4:10 am, Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr> wrote:
>> Hello everybody

>> Is there a known closed form for sum_{k=1,+infty}1/(a^k-1), where "a" is
>> a positive integer > 1 ?

1/(a^1 -1) = 1/a   + 1/a^2 + 1/a^3 + 1/a^4 + ...
1/(a^2 -1) = 1/a^2 + 1/a^4 + 1/a^6 + 1/a^8 + ...
1/(a^3 -1) = 1/a^3 + 1/a^6 + 1/a^9 + 1/a^12 +...
1/(a^4 -1) = 1/a^4 + 1/a^8 + 1/a^12 +1/a^16 + ...
...        = ....
------------------------------------------------------
 sum       = 1/a + 2/a^2 + 2/a^3 + 3/a^4 + 2/a^5 + 4/a^6 +

Here the numerators are the number-of-divisors of the exponent at a.

I think I've seen some discussion of this in an article of
Ed Sandifer about a work of L.Euler. Look for "Sandifer"
"How Euler did it" at maa.online. Unfortunately I don't
remember which of the monthly articles it was.

hth -

Gottfried Helms


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Gerry Myerson  
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 More options Nov 22 2009, 10:25 pm
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From: Gerry Myerson <ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai.i2u4email>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:17 +1100
Local: Sun, Nov 22 2009 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
In article <7moii2F3id7v...@mid.dfncis.de>,
 Gottfried Helms <he...@uni-kassel.de> wrote:

Peter Borwein proved that if r is rational and q is an integer,
q > 1, then sum 1 / (q^n + r) is irrational. The reference is
On the Irrationality of sum 1 / (q^n + r), J Number Theory 37
(1991) 253-259. I know that doesn't answer the question about
closed form, but still that paper might be a good place to look
for information.

--
Gerry Myerson (ge...@maths.mq.edi.ai) (i -> u for email)


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Raymond Manzoni  
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 More options Nov 22 2009, 11:34 pm
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From: Raymond Manzoni <raym...@free.fr>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:34:52 +0100
Local: Sun, Nov 22 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: serie 1/(a^k-1)
Gerry Myerson a écrit :

   A search on "Lambert series" could help at least to name this sum! :
   <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_series>

   as well as the irrationality proof of Erdös :
   <http://www.math-inst.hu/~p_erdos/1948-04.pdf>

   for a=2 you get the 'Erdös–Borwein constant' :
   <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erdős–Borwein_constant>

   a later paper of Borwein :
<http://www.mathaware.org/proc/1999-127-06/S0002-9939-99-04722-X/S0002...>

   for recent results see Tachiya(2004) :
<http://repository.kulib.kyoto-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2433/25757/1/1...>
   and Matala-Aho(2006) 'New irrationality measures for q-logarithms'
   <http://cc.oulu.fi/~tma/TAPANI21.pdf>

   Hoping it helped,
                Raymond


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