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master1729  
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 More options Nov 4, 5:37 pm
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From: master1729 <tommy1...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:37:35 EST
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: cos(pi/19)
what do you know about cos(pi/19) ?

nice expressions or properties ?


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From: master1729 <tommy1...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:56:23 EST
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)

> what do you know about cos(pi/19) ?

> nice expressions or properties ?

algebraic order is 9.

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Dann Corbit  
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From: Dann Corbit <dcor...@connx.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:59:20 -0800
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
In article
<1721388518.10802.1257356286507.JavaMail.r...@gallium.mathforum.org>,
tommy1...@gmail.com says...

> what do you know about cos(pi/19) ?

> nice expressions or properties ?

http://oldweb.cecm.sfu.ca/cgi-bin/isc/lookup?
number=.9863613034027223736025091948190671107284815032028763167436651350
63454066494&lookup_type=simple

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Robert Israel  
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From: Robert Israel <isr...@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca>
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:02:30 -0600
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)

master1729 <tommy1...@gmail.com> writes:
> > what do you know about cos(pi/19) ?

> > nice expressions or properties ?

> algebraic order is 9.

Indeed, its minimal polynomial over the rationals is
-1+10*x+40*x^2-160*x^3-240*x^4+672*x^5+448*x^6-1024*x^7-256*x^8+512*x^9
which might look a bit nicer as
-1+5*z+10*z^2-20*z^3-15*z^4+21*z^5+7*z^6-8*z^7-z^8+z^9
where z = 2*x.  Thus 2*cos(pi/19) is an algebraic integer (which
is also obvious from the fact that it is exp(i pi/19) + exp(-i pi/19),
the sum of two roots of unity).

Its conjugates are cos(3 pi/19), cos(5 pi/19), ..., cos(17 pi/19).
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Department of Mathematics        http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia            Vancouver, BC, Canada


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Jim Ferry  
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From: Jim Ferry <corkleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:30:45 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 4 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
On Nov 4, 4:02 pm, Robert Israel

Let M(z,a) be the minimal (monic) polynomial in z for the algebraic
integer a.  Then, re-writing Robert's expression above we have

M(z,2*cos(pi/19)) = M(z,0) M(z,1) M(z,2*cos(pi/9)) M(z,2*sin(pi/5)) -
1

where

M(z,0)           = z,
M(z,1)           = z - 1,
M(z,2*cos(pi/9)) = z^3 - 3*z - 1, and
M(z,2*sin(pi/5)) = z^4 - 5*z^2 + 5.


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Jim Ferry  
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From: Jim Ferry <corkleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:36:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 5 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
On Nov 4, 5:30 pm, Jim Ferry <corkleb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

More information along these lines is at

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TrigonometryAngles.html


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KY  
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From: KY <wkfkh...@yahoo.co.jp>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:06:54 EST
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 3:06 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
Table[N[{Cos[Pi/k], FunctionExpand[
     Cos[Pi/k]]}], {k, 17, 21}]
=
{{0.9829730996839018, 0.9829730996839018},
  {0.984807753012208, 0.9848077530122081 + 0.*I},
 {0.9863613034027223, 1.126478970802505 + 0.375464157076925*I},
<-----?
 {0.9876883405951378, 0.9876883405951377},
 {0.9888308262251285, 0.9888308262251286 + 9.614813431917819*^-17*I}}

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Jim Ferry  
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From: Jim Ferry <corkleb...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:40:26 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 6 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
On Nov 6, 10:06 am, KY <wkfkh...@yahoo.co.jp> wrote:

> Table[N[{Cos[Pi/k], FunctionExpand[
>      Cos[Pi/k]]}], {k, 17, 21}]
> =
> {{0.9829730996839018, 0.9829730996839018},
>   {0.984807753012208, 0.9848077530122081 + 0.*I},
>  {0.9863613034027223, 1.126478970802505 + 0.375464157076925*I},
> <-----?
>  {0.9876883405951378, 0.9876883405951377},
>  {0.9888308262251285, 0.9888308262251286 + 9.614813431917819*^-17*I}}

I don't understand why you get this.  Apparently
FunctionExpand simplifies Cos[Pi/k] iff it is
constructable with compass and straightedge (i.e.,
iff k is a product of a power of 2 and distinct
Fermat primes).

In particular, FunctionExpand[Cos[Pi/19]] returns
Cos[Pi/19] (in Mathematica 6 and 7).  What does
it return on your system that evaluates numerically
to 1.126478970802505 + 0.375464157076925*I ?


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AP  
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 More options Nov 7, 2:27 pm
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From: AP <marc.picher...@wanadoo.fr.invalid>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:27:14 +0100
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)

> what do you know about cos(pi/19) ?

>> algebraic order is 9.

>> Indeed, its minimal polynomial over the rationals is
>>  -1+10*x+40*x^2-160*x^3-240*x^4+672*x^5+448*x^6-1024*x^7-256*x^8+512*x^9
>> which might look a bit nicer as
>> -1+5*z+10*z^2-20*z^3-15*z^4+21*z^5+7*z^6-8*z^7-z^8+z^9
>> where z = 2*x.  Thus 2*cos(pi/19) is an algebraic integer (which
>> is also obvious from the fact that it is exp(i pi/19) + exp(-i pi/19),
>>  the sum of two roots of unity).

   the fact that 2cos(pi/19)= exp(i pi/19) + exp(-i pi/19),
  =sum of two roots of unity
prove only 2*cos(pi/19) is algebraic

so, there exists k in N^* such k*2*cos(pi/19) is algebraic integer

but, why (without calculation) k=1?
thanks


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 More options Nov 8, 9:43 am
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From: Robert Israel <isr...@math.MyUniversitysInitials.ca>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:43:11 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:43 am
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)

exp(i pi/19) and exp(-i pi/19) are 38'th roots of unity, i.e. solutions of
z^38 - 1 = 0.  This is a monic polynomial with integer coefficients, so they
are algebraic integers.  The sum of two algebraic integers is an algebraic
integer.
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Department of Mathematics        http://www.math.ubc.ca/~israel
University of British Columbia            Vancouver, BC, Canada

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From: AP <marc.picher...@wanadoo.fr.invalid>
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:58:16 +0100
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:58 am
Subject: Re: cos(pi/19)
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:43:11 -0600, Robert Israel

Thanks

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