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 More options Nov 7, 1:06 pm
Newsgroups: sci.math
From: eratosthenes <rehamkcir...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:06:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 1:06 pm
Subject: Trying to understand D_n in two dimensions
In the dihedral group of order n where n is greater than or equal to 3
there are two general cases, n is odd or n is even

In both cases n mappings from D to itself exist as rotations of (2*pi)/
n

When n is odd there are also n mappings that exist as what I visualize
as "flips" (a rotation of pi radians about a vertex).  In terms of
permutations I can write these for D_3 as (ABC) -> (ACB), (ABC) ->
(CBA) and (ABC) -> (BAC).

The situation for flips is similar for n even but the n/2 axes of
symmetry for the "flips" are from center to center of diametrically
opposed flats.  Again in terms of permutations but this time for D_4:
(ABCD) -> (BADC) and so on.

I also understand that when n is greater than or equal to 3 that
dihedral groups are non-abelian, but do not have the time or
inclination to write the explanation for it.

I am wondering if I missing something in my understanding of these
groups or if my understanding thus far is incorrect.

Cheers,
Patrick


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From: "Jim Heckman" <rot13(reply-to)@none.invalid>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:10:08 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 10:10 am
Subject: Re: Trying to understand D_n in two dimensions

On  7-Nov-2009, eratosthenes <rehamkcir...@gmail.com>
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> In the dihedral group of order n where n is greater than or equal to 3
> there are two general cases, n is odd or n is even

Careful, n isn't the order of the dihedral group, but rather of its
cyclic subgroup of index 2.

> In both cases n mappings from D to itself exist as rotations of (2*pi)/
> n

> When n is odd there are also n mappings that exist as what I visualize
> as "flips" (a rotation of pi radians about a vertex).  In terms of
> permutations I can write these for D_3 as (ABC) -> (ACB), (ABC) ->
> (CBA) and (ABC) -> (BAC).

> The situation for flips is similar for n even but the n/2 axes of
> symmetry for the "flips" are from center to center of diametrically
> opposed flats.  Again in terms of permutations but this time for D_4:
> (ABCD) -> (BADC) and so on.

Hmm...  There are n/2 "flip" axes through opposite vertices, and
another n/2 through the centers of opposite sides (what I'm
assuming you're calling "flats"), for a total of n flip axes, just
as when n is odd.  The difference is that when n is odd, each flip
axis runs through a vertex and the center of the opposite side.  In
all cases, the flip moves all vertices except the 0, 1 or 2 on the
axis, and does the same for the centers of the sides.

> I also understand that when n is greater than or equal to 3 that
> dihedral groups are non-abelian, but do not have the time or
> inclination to write the explanation for it.

Calculate what happens when you do a rotation of 2pi/n followed by
a flip, versus doing the same flip first, followed by the 2pi/n
rotation.  In both cases the result is a simple flip, but the two
flips are along different axes.  Can you see what the relationship
is between the two axes, as a function of n?  Be sure to check both
types of flip when n is even.

> I am wondering if I missing something in my understanding of these
> groups or if my understanding thus far is incorrect.

--
Jim Heckman

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