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daniel D  
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 More options Nov 7, 4:19 am
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From: daniel D <x1...@x.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:19:59 EST
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 4:19 am
Subject: A tricky ODE
Hi,

I came across the following differential equation:

sqrt(1+(y')^2)=(d/dx)((yy')/sqrt(1+(y')^2))

I found a possible solutions: y(x)=cosh(x+C1).
However, this is a second order ODE so there exist a more general solution, with 2 freedom degrees.

Can anyone find it?

Thank you.


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Patrick Coilland  
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From: Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:57:56 +0100
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 8:57 am
Subject: Re: A tricky ODE
daniel D a écrit :

> Hi,

> I came across the following differential equation:

> sqrt(1+(y')^2)=(d/dx)((yy')/sqrt(1+(y')^2))

> I found a possible solutions: y(x)=cosh(x+C1).
> However, this is a second order ODE so there exist a more general solution, with 2 freedom degrees.

> Can anyone find it?

(cosh(ax+b))/a

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alainverghote@gmail.com  
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 More options Nov 7, 1:00 pm
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From: "alainvergh...@gmail.com" <alainvergh...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 05:00:21 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: A tricky ODE
On 7 nov, 09:57, Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr> wrote:

> daniel D a écrit :

> > Hi,

> > I came across the following differential equation:

> > sqrt(1+(y')^2)=(d/dx)((yy')/sqrt(1+(y')^2))

> > I found a possible solutions: y(x)=cosh(x+C1).
> > However, this is a second order ODE so there exist a more general solution, with 2 freedom degrees.

> > Can anyone find it?

> (cosh(ax+b))/a

Dear Friends,

Without solving it
does it exist a  way to give the parity of the solutions y(x)?

Alain


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daniel D  
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From: daniel D <x1...@x.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:16:42 EST
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: A tricky ODE
Thank you very much.

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Patrick Coilland  
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 More options Nov 7, 2:09 pm
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From: Patrick Coilland <pcoill...@pcc.fr>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:09:56 +0100
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Subject: Re: A tricky ODE
alainvergh...@gmail.com a écrit :

obviously not, since it exists solutions neither odd, neither even.

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alainverghote@gmail.com  
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From: "alainvergh...@gmail.com" <alainvergh...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:16:36 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 9:16 am
Subject: Re: A tricky ODE
On 7 nov, 14:16, daniel D <x1...@x.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much.

Good morning,

Never an explanation was given about the proposed solutions...
May be some tracks were interesting:
1) non-contradiction inside LHS and RHS for an even function y(x),
2) stability of the equation for the transformation
y(x)=> y(ax+b)/a ,
3)a whiff of trig in sqrt(1+(y')^2) ...

Well,I am not a 'matlab or maple-totaller'

Alain


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