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Number Man  
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 More options Nov 17 2009, 9:00 pm
Newsgroups: sci.math.research
From: Number Man <ab...@balamand.edu.lb>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:00:02 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Nov 17 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: Perfect Square
Let P(m) = (4m)^(4m-1) + 4m^2 + 1, where m is a positive integer.

Is it true that this expression is not a perfect square for any value
of m?


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Ian Parker  
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 More options Nov 22 2009, 7:30 pm
Newsgroups: sci.math.research
From: Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:30:02 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Sun, Nov 22 2009 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: Perfect Square
On 17 Nov, 21:00, Number Man <ab...@balamand.edu.lb> wrote:

> Let P(m) = (4m)^(4m-1) + 4m^2 + 1, where m is a positive integer.

> Is it true that this expression is not a perfect square for any value
> of m?

No it is not true. Let us take a large number r and let m=r^2

(4m)^(4m-1) = ((2r)^(4m-1))^2

Now let (2r)^(4m-1) = Q

If P(m) were a perfect square Sqrt(P(m))>Q

Now Next perfect square is (Q+1)^2 or Q^2 + 2Q + 1

Now if r,m are any size at all 2Q >> (4m)^2 (I presume you mean (4m)^2
an not 4m^2 as when we put m=1 we get 69 (not a perfect square. with
(4m)^2 we get 81 which is).

If 2Q >> (4m)^2 the proposition fails.

  - Ian Parker


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Number Man  
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 More options Nov 23 2009, 1:30 am
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From: Number Man <ab...@balamand.edu.lb>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:30:02 +0000 (GMT)
Local: Mon, Nov 23 2009 1:30 am
Subject: Re: Perfect Square
On Nov 22, 9:30 pm, Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:

No, I mean 4*m^2 and not (4m)^2.

Thanks.

[Mod note: I think Ian interpreted the question as "find a value of m for which it isn't a perfect square", rather than the rather harder "show that it is never a square whatever m is" which is presumably what the OP meant.]


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