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Re: 'When Are Relations Neither True Nor False?

jazzm...@hotmail.com (MoeBlee) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:58:04 UT

Actually Z+replacement includes regularity.
Anyway, we don't need replacement to prove ".999...=1".
And you take an informal poll at an Internet discussion group as
reason to conlcude that it holds for the actual population of
phyicists.
What recursion?
So this guy doesn't know what '.999...' stands for, and we can move

Re: An Ultrafinite Set Theory

r...@raampje.lan (Reinier Post) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:21:28 UT

Not only that. Sets are relatively rare, expensive objects to programmers.
We use finite collections and infinite enumerations all the time,
but we rarely deduplicate them - doing so is often unwanted or too
expensive to just ignore. A foundational based on enumeration,
rather than sets, is much more natural to us - e.g. lambda calculus.

Re: 'When Are Relations Neither True Nor False?

lwal...@lausd.net (Transfer Principle) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:20:00 UT

No -- at least, not yet, anyway.
First of all, keep in mind that I don't -- repeat, _don't_ -- dispute
that
there is a proof in ZFC of "0.999...=1." Indeed, the Metamath website
gives a link to the ZFC proof:
[link]
The proof obviously doesn't require AC, nor is Foundation/Regularity

Re: Two views on the future of evolution

mikegor...@xtra.co.nz (Michael Gordge) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:30:30 UT

Hahhahaha, 'starting to get serious' hahahahhah, so ewe're saying that
ewe deny, a skeptic, of AGW being fucking great lefturdian hoax?
MG

Re: Is photon emission instanteous?

space...@hotmail.com (spudnik) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:57:18 UT

don't pull any of that "remote viewing" crappage
on me, dood!
thus:
all three of you bring to mind two particles,
associated with the "standard model"
of transmitting either a)
elecctromagnetism or b)
the implied force of gravity. so,
what if they are considered dually,
to be waves; do they transverally oscillate

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Re: What are deliberately flawed & fallacious Arguments? Sophistry!

sacsca...@aol.com (M Purcell) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:16:36 UT

Very few things said are not intended for personal gain and even when
the motivation is clear I suspect most are convinced of their own
"reasoning".
Kind of like our occupation of Afganistan and Iraq?

Global Warming scenarios

go...@gossg.org (Greg Goss) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:58:55 UT

A recent three-hour miniseries on CBC's Ideas was called "Climate
Wars".
Gwynne Dyer carries the three one-hour MP3s on his site
[link] as part of promoting his book. I don't
In the radio version, about a quarter of the material is a
retrospective history viewed from 2046. Along the way, two small

Re: What are deliberately flawed & fallacious Arguments? Sophistry!

turt...@fastmail.net (Monsieur Turtoni) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:50:33 UT

"Who cares what you say" -- just another thug.

Re: What are deliberately flawed & fallacious Arguments? Sophistry!

turt...@fastmail.net (Monsieur Turtoni) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:13:21 UT

So what's your excuse? Or: Spot the irony.

Re: Is photon emission instanteous?

gl...@aol.com (glird) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:09:18 UT

The time of "emission per photon", which is independent of any
outside viewer, is how long it takes for ONE "electron" to fully
emerge from an atom.
When it does, it (meaning the matter and energy per electron) is no
longer part of the atom. Therefore the atom will weigh less after a
quantum of action is released. The difference in the weight of a given

totally ordered sets

djr...@bath.ac.uk (taffer) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:43:14 UT

Over ZF, the axiom of choice implies (is equivalent to) the statement
that every set can be well ordered. Obviously this implies that every
set can be totally ordered. But what about ZF, without assuming AC?

Re: Are there objects or just patterns of activity?

jmfbah...@aol (jmfbahciv) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:43:37 UT

It's what children do. Resolving the problem is part of growing up.
Can't wait for this answer.
/BAH

Re: Ancient theory of atoms

jmfbah...@aol (jmfbahciv) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:41:32 UT

I suppose it could be used as a diagnostic.
I just got a headache. Do the RFC reviewers really want procreate
that kind of a mess?
/BAH

Re: What are deliberately flawed & fallacious Arguments? Sophistry!

z...@erkonx.net (Zerkon) — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:56:49 UT

A starting point is if they are being paid to say whatever it is they are
saying. In fact sophistry might be taken as an initial given in this case
since logic is secondary to personal gain and employment.
For instance: "We fight them over there so we do not have to fight them
here" is severely flawed commercial logic.