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John Jones  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 11:13 pm
Newsgroups: alt.philosophy, sci.logic, alt.atheism
From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:13:53 +0000
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: Objects. A reasoned view.
"Object" is an idea that was invented to make our ideas appear
unchanging and certain, even immortal. But we can dispense with the idea
of Objects, and see ideas anew.

For example, look at the objects we call "brain" and "nose". We like to
think these have certainty and substance. But they are inventions. We
invented them to account for the fact that we can smell. But it is
"smell" that we use to draws artificial limits that we call "a brain"
and "a nose".

Just as we can dispose of "Space" and "Time" by conceptually revisiting
"objects", so we can dispose of "objects" by conceptually revisiting our
ideas.


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ornamentalmind  
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 More options Nov 19 2009, 2:07 am
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From: ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:07:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 2:07 am
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.
OK. Now what?

On Nov 18, 3:13 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 3:05 am
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From: Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:05:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 3:05 am
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.
On Nov 19, 7:13 am, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> "Object" is an idea that was invented to make our ideas appear
> unchanging and certain, even immortal. But we can dispense with the idea
> of Objects, and see ideas anew.

> For example, look at the objects we call "brain" and "nose". We like to
> think these have certainty and substance. But they are inventions. We
> invented them to account for the fact that we can smell. But it is
> "smell" that we use to draws artificial limits that we call "a brain"
> and "a nose".

> Just as we can dispose of "Space" and "Time" by conceptually revisiting
> "objects", so we can dispose of "objects" by conceptually revisiting our
> ideas.

Are you directly saying that "bible" is an object and the "stories" in
there are inventions that deserve
sane people to scrutinize?
If so, you have good ideas and a sensible person.
Except that you will fail in the religious dark side, so dark that
they cannot see anything and therefore assume everything.

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Sara Brum  
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 More options Nov 19 2009, 4:33 am
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From: "Sara Brum" <sarab...@medulla.cöm>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:33:30 GMT
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 4:33 am
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.
"John Jones" <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

news:he1v3g$oul$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> "Object" is an idea that was invented to make our ideas appear unchanging
> and certain, even immortal. But we can dispense with the idea of Objects,
> and see ideas anew.

> For example, look at the objects we call "brain" and "nose". We like to
> think these have certainty and substance. But they are inventions. We
> invented them to account for the fact that we can smell. But it is "smell"
> that we use to draws artificial limits that we call "a brain" and "a
> nose".

> Just as we can dispose of "Space" and "Time" by conceptually revisiting
> "objects", so we can dispose of "objects" by conceptually revisiting our
> ideas.

It would seem you've already disposed of your "brain".

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ZerkonXXXX  
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 More options Nov 19 2009, 4:48 pm
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From: ZerkonXXXX <Z...@erkonx.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:48:41 +0000
Local: Thurs, Nov 19 2009 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:07:13 -0800, ornamentalmind wrote:
> OK. Now what?

I would say "good question" but I think I, or it, or you, or something
would then become disposed of if I diiiiiiiii (argggggggg).

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John Jones  
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 More options Nov 22 2009, 3:00 am
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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:00:26 +0000
Local: Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.

How about atoms being anobject

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John Jones  
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 More options Nov 22 2009, 3:00 am
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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:00:51 +0000
Local: Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:00 am
Subject: Re: Objects. A reasoned view.

Legend.

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