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John Jones  
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 More options Nov 18 2009, 11:29 pm
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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:29:46 +0000
Local: Wed, Nov 18 2009 11:29 pm
Subject: Ideas. A reasoned view.
"Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.


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From: Andre Lieven <andrelie...@yahoo.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:32:13 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Written Masturbation (Was: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.)
On Nov 18, 6:29 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Nothing at all sane...

Andre


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 More options Nov 18 2009, 11:39 pm
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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:39:32 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

John Jones wrote:
> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

woof

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 2:58 am
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From: Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:58:44 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
On Nov 19, 7:29 am, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

That is why the bible is a lying story.
There is no coherent, truth and sensibility.
It was an idea to fool people, capturing the weakness of human.

> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

The real idea is one that contributes to betterment.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 4:41 am
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From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:41:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

John Jones wrote:
> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

Thousand Islands. Yup, definitely Thousand Islands.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:11 am
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From: "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:11:57 -0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Olrik wrote:
> John Jones wrote:
>> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to
>> mundane proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

>> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
>> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
>> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

> Thousand Islands. Yup, definitely Thousand Islands.

Sounds more like blue cheese to me.

--
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a.a.# 2279
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perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:40 am
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From: Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:40:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Smiler wrote:
> Olrik wrote:
>> John Jones wrote:
>>> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to
>>> mundane proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

>>> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
>>> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
>>> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.
>> Thousand Islands. Yup, definitely Thousand Islands.

> Sounds more like blue cheese to me.

I reserve blue cheese for my steak, but yeah, it would not be bad at all!

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 3:35 pm
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From: John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:35:05 -0600
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Now that Mr. Jones has annihilated everything, may we move on?


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 4:39 pm
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From: ZerkonXXXX <Z...@erkonx.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:39:49 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:29:46 +0000, John Jones wrote:
> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
> proceedings.

============================
IDEA

–noun

1.      any conception existing in the mind as a result of mental
understanding, awareness, or activity.
2.      a thought, conception, or notion: That is an excellent idea.
3.      an impression: He gave me a general idea of how he plans to run
the department.
4.      an opinion, view, or belief: His ideas on raising children are
certainly strange.
5.      a plan of action; an intention: the idea of becoming an engineer.
6.      a groundless supposition; fantasy.
7.      Philosophy.
a.      a concept developed by the mind.
b.      a conception of what is desirable or ought to be; ideal.
c.      (initial capital letter) Platonism. Also called form. an
archetype or pattern of which the individual objects in any natural class
are imperfect copies and from which they derive their being.
d.      Kantianism. idea of pure reason.
8.      Music. a theme, phrase, or figure.
=============================

Can you ground your position to any of these common meanings?


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 More options Nov 19 2009, 4:40 pm
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From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:40:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:29:46 +0000, John Jones

<jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>"Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
>proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

>Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
>communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
>physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

What dressing would monsieur like for his word salad?

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:15 pm
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From: Brian E. Clark <brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:15:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
In article <nhoj-2D7C11.09350519112...@news.supernews.com>,
n...@droffats.ten says...

> Now that Mr. Jones has annihilated everything, may we move on?

We can't. Thanks to John, there's no time, space or motion.
It's like attending a Catholic mass.

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From: Brian E. Clark <brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:15:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
In article <he2019$ug...@news.eternal-september.org>,
jonescard...@btinternet.com says...

> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and
> motivation to mundane proceedings.

You're equating "idea" with "sex toy"?

> It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

It is if you use it right.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:30 pm
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From: John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:30:51 -0600
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
In article <he2019$ug...@news.eternal-september.org>,
 jonescard...@btinternet.com says...

>  "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and
>  motivation to mundane proceedings.

My, what an interesting "    ".

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 5:32 pm
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From: John Stafford <n...@droffats.ten>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:32:49 -0600
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
In article <MPG.256f4728b198ceb9989...@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Brian E. Clark <brianecl...@address.invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <nhoj-2D7C11.09350519112...@news.supernews.com>,
> n...@droffats.ten says...

> > Now that Mr. Jones has annihilated everything, may we move on?

> We can't. Thanks to John, there's no time, space or motion.
> It's like attending a Catholic mass.

Yes, a meaningless two-part ceremony: bookends for a collection basket.

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 More options Nov 19 2009, 7:24 pm
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From: Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:24:39 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.
On Nov 18, 6:29 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

An idea is an alternate way to achieve a goal that has a higher value
than the known ones.  I generate about 1-2 ideas per hour, mostly
regardling computer programming and theoretical computer science.  I
keep 10 pages of blank paper for ideas only stapled together and fill
one up every 3-5 days.  I wrote my first book (184 pages) by
extracting 200 good ideas on one topic.  I have enough material to
fill at least 10 volumes of 200 pages each.

I wonder if anyone else has ideas like that?

C-B

Intelligence is the ability to define the word "intelligence".


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From: "Jesse F. Hughes" <je...@phiwumbda.org>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:38:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Charlie-Boo <shymath...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Nov 18, 6:29 pm, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
>> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

> An idea is an alternate way to achieve a goal that has a higher value
> than the known ones.  I generate about 1-2 ideas per hour, mostly
> regardling computer programming and theoretical computer science.  I
> keep 10 pages of blank paper for ideas only stapled together and fill
> one up every 3-5 days.  I wrote my first book (184 pages) by
> extracting 200 good ideas on one topic.  I have enough material to
> fill at least 10 volumes of 200 pages each.

> I wonder if anyone else has ideas like that?

No.  You are a superior being.  Your only peers are James S. Harris,
who is likely the next step in evolution or perhaps an observer
planted by space aliens, and Archimedes Plutonium,
whose greatest virtue is the single Plutonium atom in his brain and
who has become the King of All Science.

--
"'Every man who has ever lived holds tight to the belief that for him
alone the laws of probability are canceled out by love[...] Therefore,
you will marry Guinevere.  You do not want advice --- only agreement.'
Merlin sighed..."  -- John Steinbeck


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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:09:20 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Those common meanings are inadequate, or reduce to my meaning.
Take 1. for example.
A "conception" existing in the mind". But as opposed to what existing in
the mind? This is either circular or simply a rephrasing. And why place
an idea at all, never mind "in" the mind? Where could that be?

My meaning isn't a definition. It's reminding us of distinctions we have
forgotten. And it distinguishes an idea from other public events.


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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:59:18 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:30:51 -0600, John Stafford wrote:
> My, what an interesting "    ".

        "     "      ?       ,      '     '    .      ,        !
    ?!?    !        : 1)                 2)               3)       .

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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:40:00 +0000
Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Yap wrote:
> On Nov 19, 7:29 am, John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
>> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.
> That is why the bible is a lying story.
> There is no coherent, truth and sensibility.
> It was an idea to fool people, capturing the weakness of human.
>> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
>> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
>> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.
> The real idea is one that contributes to betterment.

Praise be to God and Allah. Olaylooyah

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John Stafford wrote:
> Now that Mr. Jones has annihilated everything, may we move on?

Wait for it wait for it.

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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:41:22 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Brian E. Clark wrote:
> In article <nhoj-2D7C11.09350519112...@news.supernews.com>,
> n...@droffats.ten says...

>> Now that Mr. Jones has annihilated everything, may we move on?

> We can't. Thanks to John, there's no time, space or motion.
> It's like attending a Catholic mass.

Yes. We are stuck.

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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:43:08 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

raven1 wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:29:46 +0000, John Jones
> <jonescard...@btinternet.com> wrote:

>> "Idea" is a term that is used to add interest and motivation to mundane
>> proceedings. It is not spatial, temporal, or objectual.

>> Because an idea is procedural, it does not exist privately or
>> communally. As procedure itself is ineffable (against Godel), its
>> physical, ontological vacuity is guaranteed.

> What dressing would monsieur like for his word salad?

Listen atheists, one and all. There is LESS in the world that ever your
vacuum of an absent God could fill.

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From: "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0000
Local: Mon, Nov 23 2009 12:00 am
Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Permanent absence is a very good indication of non-existence.
Non-existent beings don't leave a vacuum, except in the heads of believers.

--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer


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From: John Jones <jonescard...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:01:50 +0000
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Subject: Re: Ideas. A reasoned view.

Vacuum? No need to get physical.

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